Johnson Cath Smith Crisalli family genealogy - Person Sheet
Johnson Cath Smith Crisalli family genealogy - Person Sheet
NameThelma Arlene SMITH
Birth3 Apr 1916, Glenville, Schenectady Co., NY2,1
Death17 Sep 1995, Schenectady, Sch’dy Co., NY2,1
Census1920, Glenville, Schenectady Co., NY3
Census1925, Glenville, Schenectady Co., NY4
Census1930, Glenville, Schenectady Co., NY5
Census1940, Niskayuna, Schenectady Co., NY6
OccupationWaitress, Peggy’s Restaurant, downtown Schenectady, Sch’dy Co., NY
FatherErnest Goodrich SMITH (1893-1963)
MotherHazel Grace CATH (1894-1997)
Misc. Notes
A news clipping: "A daughter, named Thelma, arrived April 3d, to brighten the home of Mr. and Mrs. Ernest G. Smith, of Glenville."

Their 50th wedding anniversary picture appeared in the Gazette, and was captioned: “ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION -- Mr. and Mrs. John Crisalle of First Street, Scotia, recently celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at a party given by their daughters, Barbara Johnston [sic] and Carolyn Bullis, and attended by 25 friends and relatives. They were married on April 30, 1935, in Amsterdam. Mrs. Crisalle, a graduate of Scotia High School, was a waitress in downtown Schenectady for 30 years before her retirement. She is a member of Leisure Ladies Bowling league. Her husband, a graduate of Amsterdam schools, was a carpenter with Schenectady Union Local 146 before his retirement. They have five grandchildren and one great-grandchild.”7

In 1940, Thelma and Barbara were living with Ernest and Hazel Smith on Route 146 in Niskayuna (Balltown Road). She was listed as Thelma A. Crisalle, daughter, age 23, married. She had completed the 2d year of high school; in 1935 she had been a farm resident in Saratoga County (Rexford). She worked 40 hours a week as a sales clerk in a department store, though she had worked zero weeks in 1939. 6
Newspaper article
Gazette, Wednesday, April 8, 1931:
Village Personals:
Mr. and Mrs. Howard Cath and family, Miss Margaret Cath and James Boucher of Scotia spent Sunday with Mr. and Mrs. Tunis Cath.
Miss Thelma Smith of Bryant was the Easter guest of her cousin, Miss Dorothy Weaver.
Obituary
Her obit, from the Daily Gazette, Tuesday, September 19, 1995:
“Mrs. Thelma A. Crisalle, 79, of First Street, died Sunday at St. Clare’s Hospital, Schenectady, after a brief illness. Born in Glenville, Mrs. Crisalle was a lifelong area resident. For many years, she was a waitress at Peggy’s Restaurant in Schenectady, retiring at age 67. Mrs. Crisalle was a former member of the Scotia-Glenville Gold and Silver and the Leisure Time bowling leagues. She was a Protestant. Survivors include her husband of 60 years, John Crisalle; two daughters, Carolyn A. Meyer of Rotterdam and Barbara Johnson Alger of Scotia; her mother, Hazel G. Smith of Schenectady; five grandchildren; and five great-grandchildren. A service will be at 2 p.m. Tuesday at the White Funeral Home, 264 N. Ballston Ave. (Route 50).”
Spouses
Birth2 May 1911, Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY1,8,2
Death25 Nov 1996, Glenville, Schenectady Co., NY1,2
BurialScotia, Schenectady Co., NY
OccupationFinisher, carpet mill5
FatherJoseph CRISALLI Sr. (1887-1951)
MotherMary RZESZUT (1886-1963)
Misc. Notes
See Joseph’s card for John’s entries in the Amsterdam city directories.

City directories:
1945: grocer, 523 Smith, res RD 7
1947: emp 1746 Becker (Hogle's Mkt.), res RD 7
1949: service mgr. Strauss Stores (auto accessories, 31 State Street), h 2805 Balltown Road
[RD 7 is Balltown Road]
1956: carpenter h 707 Huron (apt. 23)
Thelma (Mrs. John) clk Wallace’s h 707 Huron (apt. 23)
1963-64: carpenter construction h 550 Gerling

According to Barbara, John never lived at 707 Huron, that was an apartment she and he mother lived in at some point when her parents were split. Not far from where Carl A. lived at the time.
They lived at 550 Gerling Street, Schenectady, when I was young, then in a two-story commercial/residential at 1803-5 Van Vranken Avenue, Schenectady for a few years before moving to 205 First Street, Scotia. They sold the Van Vranken St. place, which had a barber shop and something else on the first floor, to Gerardo & Vincenza Masi 4/10/1978 for $28,800.

1934 John was living at 11 Swan with Mary, James  and Rose; Joseph Jr. and Sr. were at 24 James. John was employed at the Colonial Furniture Store.
1935 John was employed by BSC corp in Amsterdam, living at 16 Division with Thelma. Mary and Rose were at 11 Swan.
1936 Joseph was with James, Mary and Rose at 10 Lark but John is gone from Amsterdam.
Same in 1937 Amsterdam then skips to 1940, John not there


In 1939 he was working for A.L. Parsons and Son in Amsterdam, and was listed as one of the employees feted at a dinner at the Parrott house in Schoharie.

In the 1940 Federal Census, John was listed as living with mother Mary, along with Rose. James, and Joseph (who was also listed as married). John was listed as 27 years old (he would have been 28; Joseph’s age is also given as 27), married, his highest grade completed was 7th grade, his place of residence on 4/1/35 was the same, he was working 40 hours a week as a mechanic in a garage, 52 weeks in 1939, earning $1000/year. There is no mention of Thelma or Barbara. 6 Thelma and Barbara were living with Ernest and Hazel Smith in Niskayuna in 1940.

His Oct. 16, 1940 draft registration listed his residence as Balltown Road, said he was 5-7 with light brown complexion, brown hair, brown eyes, 155 lbs. It said he was self-employed.

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Notes from 2020:
Mary didn’t read or write, probably in any language, and spoke broken English.
Suzanne tried to teach her to write her name.  Mom never saw a polish newspaper or magazine though, even though they were readily available in Amsterdam, don’t think she knew how to read or write in Polish.
John never had a middle name
Lerned early on not to ask anything because it would get you a smack in the snoot.
Skyway on Freemans Bridge road was his. 55-56.
Mom said she was 11 or 12 when they lived on 211 Linden Street and he worked second shift, probably at Alco,
Went to California in third grade, 8 or 9, parked the trailer in grandpa’s back yard.
Drove a trailer to California with a Ford. Went to San Diego to see Carmen, lived in a trailer park, Barbara went to school someplace. Remembers staying overnight with Jeannette and Carmen and the girls. Maybe a couple of days. Lajolla trailer park. Going there to work in an aircraft factory. That didn’t happen. Went back home, lived in a trailer park on Albany-Schenectady Road, went to the Roosevelt School. Near the Ethan allen.


Have to address that Joseph and John were both married in Amsterdam in 1935, a month apart, figure out who to but it must have been the last Josephine
Newspaper article
Gloversville Morning Herald, July 17, 1926:

Dynamite Cap Injures Three
One, John Crisalle, Loses Thumb And Finger Of Right Hand In Explosion.
John Crisalle, 140 Forbes street, Amsterdam, aged 16, had the thumb and finger of his right hand blown off shortly before noon yesterday by the explosion of a dynamite cap, to which he was applying the flame of a match. His left hand was mutilated and his face gashed also, while Dominick Severa, 268 East Main street, and Edmund Carbonelli, 9 Eagle street, who stood near, received puncture wounds and gashes in the face, neck and chest.

The dynamite cap which exploded was one of several which Crisalle had, three others being found in his pocket after the accident. The explosion occurred in a yard between St. Casimir's church on East Main street and the residence of Raymond J. Gilston. This yard is often used by the boys of the neighborhood as a playground. There were several there at the time of the explosion, the three who were hurt being close together watching for the results of fire applied to the cap. The explosion was heard throughout the neighborhood, and four or five men were on the scene within a moment or two. Fragments of bone and flesh blown from Crisalle' [sic] hands were discovered lying on the ground. He was taken to the office of Dr. Lombardi and thence to St. Mary's hospital. The stumps of the thumb and fore finger of the right hand were amputated, but the wounds to the left did not indicate that there will be any loss of fingers to that hand. His face was cut, a gash under the left eye being very deep. The other two boys were attended by Dr. Tomlinson at his office.

The cap which exploded is one of the kind used in quarries. The caps are metal cylinders only about an inch and a half to two inches in length and hardly the diameter of an ordinary pencil. They are used to communicate the spark from the battery to the dynamite charge proper. It is not quite certain how Crisalle obtained them. He spoke of having received them from a lad named Joseph Bucci of Lark street. Bucci was summoned to police headquarters. He admitted having had quite a number of similar caps for some time. He got them, he says, from a bunch of rags, part of a collection of his grandfather, who is a dealer in rags and junk. He had a box full, he said, and has played with them himself now and then and thrown them around, but they never went off.

He had no idea that they were dynamite and had evidently been under the impression that they were some ordinary sort of cap or blank cartridge. He denied having given any of them to Crisalle, but he did say that he was throwing them about in the neighborhood of his home, and that Crisalle was there and must have picked some of them up, or somebody else did and then gave them to the injured boy.

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Newspaper article
In the Schenectady Gazette, 8/13/48, he ran a classified ad:
“NEED A HOME”
Look no further, here it is! 22 ft. silver dome trailer, blond maple interior with all the facilities including a deep freeze. Price $1,750. Located at Scott’s Esso Trailer Court, Stop 7 1/2, Sch’dy-Albany rd. See Mr. Crisalle.

In September, 1956, he ran an ad that said, “I will not be responsible for any debts contracted in my name by anyone other than myself. John Crisalle, PO Box 8, Rexford, NY.”

On Nov. 3, 1933, the Amsterdam Recorder, in an article headlined “Amsterdam Sends 48 Youths to Reforestation Camps,” listed John Crisalle of 11 Swan Street as among the youths who would be reporting to Albany for service at a Civilian Conservation Corps camp. Which camp he was to serve at was not stated.

On January 10, 1956 and presumably other dates, there is a classified listing in the business and professional directory: “SMITH and CRISALLE, general contractors, 40 years’ experience. First class workmanship on cabinets and repairs. Tel. FR 4-3167 or FR 4-0295.”

On November 13, 1948, he ran an ad in the Gazette classifieds: “WANTED -- Grocery store, with or without living quarters in good location doing about $500 weekly. Box 7-L Gazette or write John Crisalle, RD 76, Box 248, Schenectady.”

On November 18, 1947, ran an ad in the Gazette classifieds: “TRAILER (1941) Kozy Coach, 22 feet, excellent condition. Scott’s Esso Service Station, Stop 7 1/2 Albany-Sch’dy rd. Ask for Mr. Crisalle, owner.”

August 25, 1942, Real Estate Transfers: “Thomas and Erna Powell to John and Thelma A. Crisalle, Town of Niskayuna, lot 902, also east part lots 206 and 207, south side Consaul road.”
Newspaper article
Schenectady Gazette, Tuesday, December 6, 1932
(the scan is cut off on the left column, so some words are unreadable)
Arrest Amsterdam Quartet As Result of Theft Series
Police Wring Confession from One and Imprison Three Others He Implicated
Amsterdam, Dec. 5
Numerous robberies that have [taken] place in the city during the [past] few weeks have been cleared [up, p]olice say, by the arrest of four [ ]s. They are Louis Schur, 24, [ ] Grove street; Joseph Crisalli, [19] [ ] Lark street and Albert Wheeler [ ] 191 East Main street, all [charg]ed with burglary and robbery, [ ] John Crisalli, 24 James street, [ ] for disposing of stolen merchandise.
The arrests were brought about through a “hunch” of Chief of Police William E. Cline who noticed [ ] driving around the street. The chief ordered his men to pick up Schur for questioning, inasmuch as the latter is known in police [ ]s. Schur, brought to headquarters, was questions and al[ ] ly confessed he had been [ ]y of at least two recent robberies, those of the Otto store on Chestnut street and the Sullivan [ ] on Guy Park avenue opposite St. Mary’s Church.
Schur implicated Joseph Crisalli [ ] Wheeler who were arrested [ ] also confessed and named the [ ]s where the stolen merchandise has been disposed, resulting in John Crisalli being taken into custody. The four youths will be arraigned tomorrow morning in [ ]e Court.

Gloversville Morning Herald, Dec. 6, 1932:
Charges of Larceny and Burglary Face Four Local Youths.
AMSTERDAM, Dec. 5 -- Four young men will be arraigned in police court Tuesday morning on charges of burglary and larceny also with having disposed of stolen property. The four formed a gang known as the Mickey Mouse outfit and have admitted taking part in a number of burglaries in the city. The four are Joseph Crisalli, 19, of 7 Lark street; Louis Schur, 24, of 78 Grove street; Albert Wheeler, 23, of 191 East Main street and John Crisalli, 21, of 24 James street. John Crisalli will be arraigned on a charge of disposing of stolen property, whlie the other three will face charges of burglary and larceny.

Schenectady Gazette, Friday, January 27, 1933, p. 10:
Montgomery Co. Grand Jury Indicts Fifteen
Amsterdam, Jan. 26
The grand jury this morning returned 15 open bills for indictment, after unusual promptness in considering the many cases. In discharging the jurors Justice Heffernan extended the thanks of the county and the court for the speed and promptness snown. Among the open bills were . . . .
The 15 indictments also included the following: . . . Louis Schur, Albert Wheeler and Joseph Crisalli, burglary, third degree and petit larceny; Louis Schur, also for burglary, third degree; . . . .

The Gloversville Morning Herald on March 2, 1933, wrote:
Another arraignment in supreme court today was that of Albert Wheeler, who with Louis Schur and Joseph Crisalli, was indicted on a charge of burglary, third degree, and petit larceny, the charge being that they entered the store of Paul Otto on Chestnut street and stole a quantity of the stock. Wheler entered a plea of guilty and lenience was asked by Floyd J. Reinhart on the ground that his previous record was good. Justice Heffernan decided that a suspended sentence would serve the ends of justice after Wheeler promised to observe the rules of parole.
Marriage30 Apr 1935, Amsterdam, Montgomery Co., NY
Misc. Notes
A news clipping: "John Crisalle and Miss Thelma Arlene Smith were married last night by Mayor Arthur Carter at his home on Stewart Street. They were attended by John Marrotta and Miss Rose Crisalle."9
ChildrenUNNAMED (?1937-?1937)
 UNNAMED (1957-1957)
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